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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dear Sandor,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>maybe it would be good to discuss the FAIRmat plans with some more interested people who participated in the creation of the ontology.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Do you think it will be possible to meet next week? Otherwise I suggest after the XFEL user meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Heike <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>Von:</b> Sandor Brockhauser <sandor.brockhauser@physik.hu-berlin.de> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 20. <span lang=EN-GB>Dezember 2022 11:52<br><b>An:</b> Collins, Steve (DLSLtd,RAL,SCI) <steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk><br><b>Cc:</b> Görzig, Heike <heike.goerzig@helmholtz-berlin.de>; NeXus-committee@nexusformat.org<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [NeXus-committee] NeXus Ontology v2.0<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>HI Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>v1.1, 2.0, 2.1, 3.0 etc are referring to the ontology and how things are modelled. After settling, I would change them rarely.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>The definitions’ short hash on the other hand refers to the different versions of the NeXus standard, so the compatibility here is depending on how much the standard changes. Most of the time it is also changing slowly (like something becomes deprecated, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>So by default, I would say that ALL </span><a href="http://purl.org/nexusformat/*/definitions/*/Field/NXsample/temperature"><span lang=EN-GB>http://purl.org/nexusformat/*/definitions/*/Field/NXsample/temperature</span></a><span lang=EN-GB> are compatible. More precise relationships can be added when a new release is coming out and we know what has actually been changed…<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Note that v2.0 is already uses owl:deprecated (where a NeXus concept is marked), and owl:priorVersion, owl:backwardCompatibleWith, owl:incompatibleWith etc. can also be of use.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Note that version info is added also for the case if something goes wrong in an application, so one can dig down and find the root cause and then make a proper fix. Note that this cannot be avoided and without the version info such fixes would become even more cumbersome.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Examples from other ontologies: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://obofoundry.org/principles/fp-004-versioning.html"><span lang=EN-GB>https://obofoundry.org/principles/fp-004-versioning.html</span></a><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Ontology_Versions"><span lang=EN-GB>https://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Ontology_Versions</span></a><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Bests,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Sandor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>On 20. Dec 2022, at 09:39, Collins, Steve (DLSLtd,RAL,SCI) <</span><a href="mailto:steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk"><span lang=EN-GB>steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-GB>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Thanks Sandor,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>This looks fine in principle but may be complicated to implement. Is there a mechanism for determining the relationship between different versions of the same concept?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US> </span></span><span lang=EN-US>Sandor Brockhauser <</span><a href="mailto:sandor.brockhauser@physik.hu-berlin.de"><span lang=EN-US>sandor.brockhauser@physik.hu-berlin.de</span></a><span lang=EN-US>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>19 December 2022 21:47<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Collins, Steve (DLSLtd,RAL,SCI) <</span><a href="mailto:steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk"><span lang=EN-US>steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-US>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>heike.goerzig <</span><a href="mailto:heike.goerzig@helmholtz-berlin.de"><span lang=EN-US>heike.goerzig@helmholtz-berlin.de</span></a><span lang=EN-US>>;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="mailto:NeXus-committee@nexusformat.org"><span lang=EN-US>NeXus-committee@nexusformat.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [NeXus-committee] NeXus Ontology v2.0</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hi Steve and Heike,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Indeed, we could keep them. Please note that in V2, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>- we use versioning,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>- model all elements of the Vocabulary (definitions/groups/fields/attributes) as concepts/classes, and <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>- tried to find a compromise between the naming conventions of v1 and the actual Vocabulary. In the given example v1:NXsample-temperature, and vocab:NXsample/temperature-field we propose:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://purl.org/nexusformat/v2.0/definitions/7ca0338/Field/NXsample/temperature"><span lang=EN-GB>http://purl.org/nexusformat/v2.0/definitions/7ca0338/Field/NXsample/temperature</span></a><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Looking forward discussing the details and the next steps with you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Bests,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Sandor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>On 19. Dec 2022, at 18:26, Collins, Steve (DLSLtd,RAL,SCI) <</span><a href="mailto:steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk"><span lang=EN-GB>steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-GB>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Me too!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>This looks very interesting but I have not had time to look at it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Can I ask: do you plan to keep the PIDs for NeXus fields as they are in V1? We would like to start to think about using the PIDs in ICAT tables for some parameters (</span><a href="http://purl.org/nexusformat/definitions/NXsample-temperature"><span lang=EN-GB>http://purl.org/nexusformat/definitions/NXsample-temperature</span></a><span lang=EN-GB>, for example) so it would be useful to know if these are likely to change.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US> </span></span><span lang=EN-US>Görzig, Heike <</span><a href="mailto:heike.goerzig@helmholtz-berlin.de"><span lang=EN-US>heike.goerzig@helmholtz-berlin.de</span></a><span lang=EN-US>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>19 December 2022 16:07<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sandor Brockhauser <</span><a href="mailto:sandor.brockhauser@physik.hu-berlin.de"><span lang=EN-US>sandor.brockhauser@physik.hu-berlin.de</span></a><span lang=EN-US>>;</span><a href="mailto:NeXus-committee@nexusformat.org"><span lang=EN-US>NeXus-committee@nexusformat.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Collins, Steve (DLSLtd,RAL,SCI) <</span><a href="mailto:steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk"><span lang=EN-US>steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-US>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>AW: [NeXus-committee] NeXus Ontology v2.0</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hi Sandor,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Thanks for working on that! Sorry, I could not attend the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I have quite a lot of questions. Maybe it would be better to have a meeting next year.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Heike<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Von:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>NeXus-committee <<a href="mailto:nexus-committee-bounces@shadow.nd.rl.ac.uk">nexus-committee-bounces@shadow.nd.rl.ac.uk</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Sandor Brockhauser via NeXus-committee<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Freitag, 16. <span lang=EN-GB>Dezember 2022 22:15<br><b>An:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="mailto:NeXus-committee@nexusformat.org"><span lang=EN-GB>NeXus-committee@nexusformat.org</span></a><span lang=EN-GB><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="mailto:steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk"><span lang=EN-GB>steve.collins@diamond.ac.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-GB><br><b>Betreff:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[NeXus-committee] NeXus Ontology v2.0<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>As discussed on previous NIAC meetings, we have started discussions with Heike and Steve on making a new version of the NeXus Ontology which would cover the full NeXus Vocabulary (</span><a href="https://manual.nexusformat.org/classes/index.html?highlight=vocabulary"><span lang=EN-GB>https://manual.nexusformat.org/classes/index.html?highlight=vocabulary</span></a><span lang=EN-GB>) made available during the June Code Camp. With the same effort, we also wanted to address the proper description of the NeXus concepts with their detailed informations, like defined enumerations, deprecations, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Last Friday, we had a Sprint Planning Meeting, and I am happy to announce that our FAIRmat development team has implemented a firs proposal for the new version. Please go (</span><a href="https://github.com/nexusformat/NeXusOntology/pull/4"><span lang=EN-GB>https://github.com/nexusformat/NeXusOntology/pull/4</span></a><span lang=EN-GB>) and have a look provide feedback, so we can all work together and make it even better.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>For those using ontology reasoners, I recommend FaCT++.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Quick summary:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#24292F;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;background:white;box-sizing: border-box'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>contains all the concepts for the full NeXus Vocabulary (definitions, groups, fields, attributes)</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#24292F;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;background:white;box-sizing: border-box'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>defines and handles separately DataTypes and UnitCategories</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#24292F;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;background:white;box-sizing: border-box'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>supports enumerations and also cardinality (minOccurs/maxOccurs/optional/required/recommended)</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#24292F;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;background:white;box-sizing: border-box'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>checks and marks if a referenced concept (definition, group, field, attribute) has been specialised (e.g. docstring added, enumeration modified, new concept added or a cardinality of a referenced concept has been changed)</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#24292F;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;background:white;box-sizing: border-box'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>added support for versioning (Ontology major: 2.0, minor: short hash of the NeXus Definitions used; conversion hash)</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#24292F;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;background:white;box-sizing: border-box'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>NeXus Definitions are referenced via git submodules for easier access</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Bests,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Sandor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>-- </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential, copyright and or privileged material, and are for the use of the intended addressee only. 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